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  • Are certain portions of scripture, such as Matt 24, Luke 21, Mark 13, just for the Jews? What is Israel's role in the 70th Week? Who are the 144,000 and what are they described as doing during the 70th Week? The woman that is described in Rev 12 is Israel, but what does she entail? We know that any Jew that gets saved now is part of the Church. Is Israel part of the Bride, or the Church?

    "That chapter does not apply to us that is for the Jews"

    When discussing doctrine with others we often run into statements such as "that chapter does not apply to us that is for the Jews." I am amazed that those claiming to be bible-believing Christians can so easily right off blocks of passages, whole chapters, and yes sometimes whole books when confronted with scripture that conflicts with the theory they embrace. Revelation is a perfect example of a book that is ignored from the pulpit and by many claiming they have the order of events figured out concerning the 7 years soon to come, often mistakenly referred to as the Tribulation period. Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13 are whole chapters of scripture that are detrimental when trying to understand the order of events of the 70th week and yet most right them off as scripture that just deals with the Jewish people that are left during the 70th week. The belief that I have on this matter can be found in (2 Tim 3:16-17 KJV) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: {17} That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

    In this chapter we are going to examine Israel's Role in the 70th week and look to see if scripture excludes the saints from participating in the 70th week of Daniel, again, often mistakenly referred to as the Tribulation.

    There are certain references in scripture to the tribulation being a time of God's dealing with the Jews. This alone does not necessarily exclude the church from its involvement, which is a destructive assumption on the part of some that are trying to understand prophecy. In Jer 30:7 the time of the tribulation is referred to as Jacobs troubles. Jacob, we know from scripture, was called Israel after his wrestling encounter with God (Gen 32:28). So Jacobs troubles could also be referred to as Israel's troubles. (Jer 30:7 KJV) Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

    This reference makes it clear that the tribulation involves Israel, but it says here that Israel will be saved out of it. Israel's salvation and protection during the tribulation seems to be a common theme when one begins to dig into scripture that mentions Israel's involvement in the 70th week of Daniel.

    Right after Jeremiah labels the time of trouble to come "Jacob's trouble," he then goes on to say in (Jer 31:2 KJV) Thus saith the LORD, The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest. This verse is exactly what is said of Israel (the Woman clothed with the sun, moon, and twelve stars: compare the woman with Joseph's dream in Gen 37:9) in Revelation chapter 12. In Rev 12:6 Israel (the woman) has a place prepared of God, where she is feed in the wilderness for a thousand two hundred and threescore days (3 1/2 years) the first half of the 70th week. Satan is then cast to the Earth (Rev 12:9) and a loud voice declares from Heaven, "Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time." After the woe made to the Earth and the warning given to those that dwell on the Earth the woman (Israel) is then spoke of again as being nourished by God for another 3 1/2 years in the wilderness. (Rev 12:14 KJV) And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. The dragon is thrown to the Earth between two 3 1/2 year periods of protection for the woman (Israel). Strange as it may seem Israel finds grace (Jer 3:12), is nourished (Rev 12:14), feed (Rev 12:6), given a special place (Rev 12:6), all in the wilderness through most of the seven-year period referred to as the 70th week.

    The tribulation begins with the placing of "abomination that maketh desolate." and ends with Christ’s coming to gather His elect. The tribulation is referred to in scripture as being a short time. Godly intervention is made to actually shorten the tribulation before its time. There is even a reason given in (Mat 24:22 KJV) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Jesus just got finished detailing the days of the tribulation and those are the days he is referring to.

    Scripture says in (Rom 11:25-27 KJV) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (rapture) {26} And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: {27} For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. All of Israel is saved when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. We know that all of Israel encompasses a remnant, those that are "left of the sword" (Jer 31:2).

    (Isa 10:19-25 KJV) And the rest of the trees of his forest shall be few, that a child may write them. {20} And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. {21} The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God. {22} For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness. {23} For the Lord GOD of hosts shall make a consumption, even determined, in the midst of all the land. {24} Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt. {25} For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction.

    Antichrist will be used to purge those that are not considered the remnant. This takes place during the 70th week and climaxes when the abomination of desolation is placed (the midst of the week). Those that are in Israel at that time are told: (Luke 21:20-24 KJV) And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. {21} Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. {22} For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. {23} But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. {24} And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

    At the same time we cannot ignore that God has promised a remnant they shall find grace in the wilderness and the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them……For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness…..For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction. This is the "all of Israel that shall be saved" spoken of in Romans 11:26 and that is described as finding grace, being feed, nourished and has a placed prepared of God in the wilderness for seven years during the 70th week of Daniel. Scripture tells us in (Rom 9:6-8 KJV) Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: {7} Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. {8} That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

    So the children of the promise are taken into the wilderness and the children of the flesh are judged and none of them shall remain. (Ezek 7:1-2,11,15,16 KJV) Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, {2} Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land…….{11} Violence is risen up into a rod of wickedness: none of them shall remain, nor of their multitude, nor of any of theirs: neither shall there be wailing for them..….{15} The sword is without, and the pestilence and the famine within: he that is in the field shall die with the sword; and he that is in the city, famine and pestilence shall devour him. {16} But they that escape of them shall escape, and shall be on the mountains like doves of the valleys, all of them mourning, every one for his iniquity.

    While a remnant of Israel is being nourished in the wilderness something takes placed that ends the tribulation and commences the wrath of God. Matthew describes it this way (Mat 24:29-31 KJV) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: {30} And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. {31} And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    Mark describes it this way (Mark 13:24-27 KJV) But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, {25} And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. {26} And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. {27} And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

    Luke describes it this way (Luke 21:25-28 KJV) And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; {26} Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. {27} And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. {28} And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

    Yes when cosmic distrubance takes place in the sky the church is told to "look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." At the same time this gathering of the elect takes place Israel which at this point is being nourished in the place that is prepared for her looks up at the one whom she pierced (Zec 12:9-10 KJV) And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. {10} And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

    This event is what is spoken of in Romans 11:25-26. When "the fulness of the Gentiles be come in all Israel shall be saved." When they see the fullness of the Church go into glory all of Israel (the remnant that are left of the sword) shall be received into salvation while life from the dead (resurrection) takes place all around them and they look upon the one whom they pierced in mourning. This is referred to in scripture as Israel being brought into their fullness. Scripture says in (Rom 11:12-15 KJV) Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? {13} For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: {14} If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. {15} For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? (Resurrection)

    The life from the dead is what most refer to as the rapture, but is referred to in scripture as the first resurrection (Rev 20:4-6), the resurrection of the just (Luke 14:14; Acts 24:15) and the gathering of the elect (Matt 13:30, 24:31; Mark 13:27; 2 Thes 2:1). This is not life from the dead for Israel because they are said to live on the Earth with their longevity restored like it was in the days prior to the flood. (Isa 65:17-25 KJV) For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. {18} But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. {19} And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. {20} There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. {21} And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. {22} They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. {23} They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them. {24} And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. {25} The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

    But what of the saints

    There is one group of people that are mentioned as facing the tribulation; antichrist and the dragon himself head on, unlike Israel who is hidden from the face of the serpent (Rev 12:14). After describing the help & deliverance of Israel in Rev 12:9,14,15 scripture then goes on to reveal the venting of Satan's wrath because of his inability to get to the woman (Israel). (Rev 12:15-17 KJV) And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. {16} And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. {17} And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    This seems to be what scripture says of the saint's involvement with antichrist throughout scripture. For instance in: (Dan 11:30-36 KJV) For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant. {31} And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. {32} And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. {33} And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. {34} Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. {35} And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed. {36} And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

    This sounds identical to the description Paul gives of Antichrist (the man of sin) in Thessalonians. Except that in his letter to the Thessalonians he asks us to not be deceived concerning the timing of the coming of the Lord and the gathering of his saints (rapture) in coalition with the revealing of antichrist through exalting himself and magnifying himself above every God. Paul writes: (2 Th 2:1-4 KJV) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, {2} That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. {3} Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; {4} Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

    Nowhere in Dan 11:30-36 does it refer to the saints as my people, Israel, Jews, or anything except the people that know their God and those of understanding. That leaves it wide open to easily include the church at the very least. Paul's letter is addressed to the saints in Thessalonicia who are definitely not Jews and it seems obvious that there is at least a comparison to the references " Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped" and "he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god."

    There are references throughout the entire Bible verifying the church's presence during the Tribulation. Below are just a few.

    (Dan 7:21-22 KJV) I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; {22} Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

    (Dan 7:25-27 KJV) And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. {26} But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. {27} And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

    (Dan 8:23-26 KJV) And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. {24} And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practice, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. {25} And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. {26} And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

    (Rev 13:5-8 KJV) And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. {6} And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. {7} And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. {8} And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    (Dan 12:7 KJV) And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

    (Rev 2:10 KJV) Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

    (Rev 6:9-11 KJV) And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: {10} And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? {11} And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

     

     

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